M1867 Remington Norwegian Rifle

[Dianna]

I am looking for ammo 12.17x44 mm rimfire.  I got this gun and would like to shoot it.  Can anyone help me out?  I called Remington and no luck there.
Thanks,
Dianna

[Fabian23]

You will have to make your own I'm afraid.  Brass, dies, and bullets are reasonably obtainable depending on where in the world you are.

[tommy303]

Is it still in original rimfire or converted to centre fire?  If converted, then you could get cases through:

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,44.html

[qualibra]

Cartridges in caliber 12,17x44 Rimfire
is highly priced collectorsitems to day,
and most likely would'nt even fire if
one should try to do so.
Not having been in production since the 1880'ies,
these old cartridges are becoming rare
and very expensive.
If you wish to fire your old rifle,
you will have to convert the block
into centerfireconfiguration,
if the one you've got still
is in it's original form.

[Shaughn]

If the rifle is still in rimfire configuration and not a rare or unusual model, then you will need to have it converted to centerfire.

The only gunsmith I am aware of that I know could do the work or install a new centerfire breech block is Lone Star Rifle in the United States.

For centerfire brass one can contact Buffalo Arms or form it themselves out of .348 Winchester with dies or by fireforming (I prefer to anneal and fireform and then use a file trim die versus the labor intensive mechanical forming).

You can use 50-70 Winchester dies for reloading, CH4D makes a custom die set as well as both a taper crimp and file form die in 12.7x44R , but at last check they indicated a minimum wait of 3-4+ months.

Bullet diameter varies, quite a bit from rifle to rifle, though many indicate using bullets in the .512 diameter range, my particular rifle has a bore diameter of .483 and a groove diameter of .503 and I use a RCBS Mould .500 Hodgdon adjustable that casts with my alloy a .501 Minnie and since it is adjustable I can with a little tinkering adjust the bullet to the same weight as the original service load.

Hope this helps

[jke]

Or, you could have some of these made.

[Fabian23]

Where did you get them made :-P

[jke]

Fabien,
These are not mine, just examples.
However, Rocky Mountain will make turned brass cases to your specifications, but you will have to drill the hole for the 22 rim-fire. And of course they are not cheap but they will last a very long time. :-D  http://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/

[Fabian23]

That could be a solution for my Danish Snider :-D There are just no cases to make them from, drilling the .22 hole is not too difficult if done with care.

[jke]

Fabian,
If you do a chamber cast and get the measurements you need, perhaps we can split an order. Don't forget you will need to subtract a little. Because you want the cases smaller than the chamber cast. If you make them the same size they will not fit in your gun....Just try to put the chamber cast back in your gun, mine are always too tight and do not fit.

[Fabian23]

Send me an email, I'll send you the measurements from my chamber cast to compare.

[gianluca1962]

those are 13,9x33R RF and not 12,17x44R RF.
that is the photo of my rounds I uploaded in a gunboard forum.

regards
gianluca

[jke]

Hello Gianluca,
Yes, I copied and saved the picture a long time ago because they were so very well made. My apologies, I am sorry I could not remember who to give credit to.
Did you make them yourself? If you did make them you did an excellent job.

John

[gianluca]

not a promem at all John, I was just pointing out that they were 'bigger' than 12,17.
Yes I did them miself, until today I shot them a minimum of 10 times:-P

regards

gianluca

[Dan Whitfield]

Look through the internet for parts for that fine old rifle, your looking for the chamber block for a center fire. Back in the days of old, when rim fire ammo was avaiable, a lot of competitive shooter carried both. If this is a military rifle it should be a Remington Number One action. Good Luck