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09. July 2013 kl. 11:33:08
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Paul Tummers


I can possibly obtain a Carl Gustav Rolling Block rifle in cal. 8x58RD.
There are however some questions I would like an answer for before I want to have this rifle, reason is that our law only permits to have this kind of rifle free of registration when there is proof that the rifle at the year of conversion was shot with BP cartridges.
Here some numbers;
On the system there is the year 1872.
At the right side of the barrel is the conversion date 1895.
There is nowhere a Nitro stamp on either barrel or system, also no "N"stamp on the locking block.
When did the Swedish army change officially from black powder to Nitro powder for these cartidges?
Were can I find literature to learn more about this rifle?
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09. July 2013 kl. 16:38:58
Reply #1

Øyvind F.

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Swedish author and gun historian Josef Alm wrote the following in his Eldhandvapen II published in 1934 (my translation from Swedish):

"Like the trial cartridges, the M/1889 cartridges were loaded with 4.7 grams of compressed black powder and a 15.5 gram 30.7mm long copper jacketed bullet. The muzzle velocity was 535 mps. Later the black powder was replaced with smokeless power. The smokeless rifle powder M/1892 was called "apyrite", but was commonly known as "grey powder" due to its colour and had triangular granules."

I don't know whether the smokeless powder was adopted in 1892 or earlier, but it was at least prior to 1895.
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10. July 2013 kl. 9:05:08
Reply #2

Paul Tummers


I made a mistake, conversion date is not 1895 but 1894.
Is there no proof about when officially the black powder was not in use anymore?
The rifle in question has a barrel length of 73 cm which looks somewhat long to me for a Nitro rifle.
If it is good, do not rest and think, the

target has been achieved, but think about how improvements can be made.
The best improvement is usually the one which simplifies the process

considerably.

10. August 2013 kl. 12:01:42
Reply #3

Paul Tummers


I contacted the police and also the association of arms collectors over here; This rifle is by our laws regarded as a Nitro rifle; only the coversion years 1890 and 1891 are regarded as BP rifles so it must be registrated on a FA-licence.
My hunting permit that allows for registration of 6 rifles does not have any room left for another rigistration, so no deal for me, bad luck they call this I believe.
If it is good, do not rest and think, the

target has been achieved, but think about how improvements can be made.
The best improvement is usually the one which simplifies the process

considerably.